Sup. Rivers... a "tool"

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Originally Posted by R13

Just as I thought, you have nothing. This is why I said ones from the anti side can't be taken seriously, no substance behind their argument and they fold so easily when some logic is applied to their weak lines. Thanks for playing though.

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Got milk?

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Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

What exactly does a building have to do with the future? Education is an institution in itself...it's not a specific place. IMO, the camps on consolidation can be divided according to how they think the schools impact the economics of the county. Some think new schools will boost the economy while some see the loss of their community school as a death blow to their local town's economy. Which is best for the future really varies from individual to individual. The loss of jobs sure isn't gonna help anything...and the hidden costs of new unis for every sport, further travel distances on a daily basis, etc. won't either. In fact, it probably offsets any savings in personnel... And, I really don't see a HS attracting a company to invest in the county...but some folks do. It's just up to the individual, and that's why this fight has carried on for a decade..cuz there is no clear cut "best way".

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If the only draw for a town in a HS then it is already dead.......The "Hidden Costs" such as "new unis" is something that is done from time to time already but 3 sets vs 6 sets every 3 to 4 years would be a cut over the long term (Same are Pay to refs and travel for away games).....As for the building having no impact on the quality of education .....If that were the case why was there such a backlash against the mobile classrooms?.......I will agree that building (new or old) is not the end all in education however optimal deployment of resources (Human and otherwise) is a huge factor in the educational outcome of a student.

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Originally Posted by Counts

If the only draw for a town in a HS then it is already dead.......The "Hidden Costs" such as "new unis" is something that is done from time to time already but 3 sets vs 6 sets every 3 to 4 years would be a cut over the long term (Same are Pay to refs and travel for away games).....As for the building having no impact on the quality of education .....If that were the case why was there such a backlash against the mobile classrooms?.......I will agree that building (new or old) is not the end all in education however optimal deployment of resources (Human and otherwise) is a huge factor in the educational outcome of a student.

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Over the long term the question over how to fund the schools goes away once the economy gets back to normal and the state funding crisis goes away. Funding has hardly ever been an issue until the past 2-3 years when the entire US economy went to hell in a hand basket. As for the mobile classrooms...I had classes in mobile classrooms and never saw anything wrong with it...but then again, I grew up in a trailer park and never thought I was too good for anything. Seriously though, in this area, if a student wants an education the teachers are good enough to meet them half way and give it to them. This isn't an inner city school system where no one wants to be and the best teachers they have are awful and basically babysit the kids for 7 hours a day. Many of those kids don't have a chance...here they do. But, it requires work from not only the teacher, but the student and his or her family as well.

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Over the long term the question over how to fund the schools goes away once the economy gets back to normal and the state funding crisis goes away. Funding has hardly ever been an issue until the past 2-3 years

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I think this is where we really disagree IMHO while funding for schools may get better as the economy picks up I think it will never "get back to normal" or more acutely I think this is going to be close to the "New Normal"

Honestly I hope you are right but as for myself I am extremely skeptical of counting on State politicians to do anything short of redoing the allocation formulas to favor the more populated areas in the state

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Originally Posted by Counts

I think this is where we really disagree IMHO while funding for schools may get better as the economy picks up I think it will never "get back to normal" or more acutely I think this is going to be close to the "New Normal"

Honestly I hope you are right but as for myself I am extremely skeptical of counting on State politicians to do anything short of redoing the allocation formulas to favor the more populated areas in the state

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The economy has picked up numerous times throughout history and gone back to "boom" times..even after the Great Depression. I see no reason why it won't again. Fluctuations in the economy have been normal over the history of our country. It rises, recedes, rises again, recedes again, etc. and, the situation we are in now will pass as well. As for the formulas, regardless, funding will be based on a per pupil basis..so I don't see the funding going anywhere. The problem now is that there is less of a pie to split because the state has less money in the coffers.

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Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

The economy has picked up numerous times throughout history and gone back to "boom" times..even after the Great Depression. I see no reason why it won't again. Fluctuations in the economy has been normal over the history of our country. It rises, recedes, rises again, recedes again, etc. and, the situation we are in now will pass as well. As for the formulas, regardless, funding will be based on a per pupil basis..so I don't see the funding going anywhere. The problem now is that there is less of a pie to split because the state has less money in the coffers.

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I agree that the Economy will get better All I am saying is that with SSI and the other big baby boom costs that we are on the edge of I really think that Education will take a back seat to other issues.....The State funding IS per pupil BUT the formula as it currently stands favors areas like ours allowing the Local Gov pick up a fraction of the (Minimum) per puple cost (i.e. if it were decided that $7000 meets the min then the state would give Wise Co. 80% of that amount leaving the local Gov to pick up the other 20% where as a richer county such as Farfax might get 10% from the state and pay 90%.....well many of the more populated areas in the state would like to see the formula more even .i.e. state funding of 40% state wide......If that were to happen the Local Govs cost per student would triple with the state not actually cutting education)

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Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

Got milk?

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So sad, this little boy has you stumped and threw out your ridiculous "arguments", but do continue to embarrass yourself. This is fun to watch, happens all too often, no rebuttal and falls back into acting like a child. I wonder if it was just some epiphany someone had about consolidation or that their job wouldn't be needed in the new schools...hmmm.

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Originally Posted by R13

So sad, this little boy has you stumped and threw out your ridiculous "arguments", but do continue to embarrass yourself. This is fun to watch, happens all too often, no rebuttal and falls back into acting like a child. I wonder if it was just some epiphany someone had about consolidation or that their job wouldn't be needed in the new schools...hmmm.

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OK...we'll start over. I'll go out. When I come back in I'll check my brain at the door and we'll start out even.

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Originally Posted by Counts

I agree that the Economy will get better All I am saying is that with SSI and the other big baby boom costs that we are on the edge of I really think that Education will take a back seat to other issues.....The State funding IS per pupil BUT the formula as it currently stands favors areas like ours allowing the Local Gov pick up a fraction of the (Minimum) per puple cost (i.e. if it were decided that $7000 meets the min then the state would give Wise Co. 80% of that amount leaving the local Gov to pick up the other 20% where as a richer county such as Farfax might get 10% from the state and pay 90%.....well many of the more populated areas in the state would like to see the formula more even .i.e. state funding of 40% state wide......If that were to happen the Local Govs cost per student would triple with the state not actually cutting education)

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What does Wise County currently pay?...The figure I've seen is 18%..just as I said in earlier posts, eventually local taxpayers are gonna have to fund more of the local kids' education.

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Originally Posted by sup-rbeast

What does Wise County currently pay?...The figure I've seen is 18%..just as I said in earlier posts, eventually local taxpayers are gonna have to fund more of the local kids' education.

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Agreed, But I thought that was one of the main holdups for the 3 New school plan last year.....The BOS did not want to take on the dept becouse they would have to raise property taxes......So we are going to be in the situation that taxes will go up reguardless and as you have stated (Buildings) don't make better students so what will be the cheapist solution over the next 50 years?